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		<title>By: Anti-Social Recruiting</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-6347</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Social Recruiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of job posting and (lack of) response. Applicant Tracking Systems are by-and-large still the &#8220;black holes&#8221; from which no response escapes that they have always [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LaCour</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaCour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jer, can&#039;t find your article you posted regarding ATS...

Jeremy Langhans says: 
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I re-posted this amazing article over at:
http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jer, can&#8217;t find your article you posted regarding ATS&#8230;</p>
<p>Jeremy Langhans says:<br />
at<br />
I re-posted this amazing article over at:<br />
<a href="http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior" rel="nofollow">http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Mooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pet hate is when we talk to companies and they say that they are happy with what they have. The reason we are calling them in the first place is because we know that they probably don&#039;t have an ATS in place and yes, I will agree that, they are too busy to look at an ATS because they have to spend so much time manually processing applications and manually searching through CVs. So the quickest answer is the one to get rid of you so that they can spend more time in administration rather than managing.

To view a brief example of a system favoured by recruiters and employers - http://partner.hr-manager.net/KalaTechnologies/Demo.html

HR/Recruitment managers need to educate themselves in the new tools available and this is where the Boolean BB is worth it&#039;s weight in gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pet hate is when we talk to companies and they say that they are happy with what they have. The reason we are calling them in the first place is because we know that they probably don&#8217;t have an ATS in place and yes, I will agree that, they are too busy to look at an ATS because they have to spend so much time manually processing applications and manually searching through CVs. So the quickest answer is the one to get rid of you so that they can spend more time in administration rather than managing.</p>
<p>To view a brief example of a system favoured by recruiters and employers &#8211; <a href="http://partner.hr-manager.net/KalaTechnologies/Demo.html" rel="nofollow">http://partner.hr-manager.net/KalaTechnologies/Demo.html</a></p>
<p>HR/Recruitment managers need to educate themselves in the new tools available and this is where the Boolean BB is worth it&#8217;s weight in gold.</p>
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		<title>By: Shally</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Shally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you and our Adjunct Faculty Jim Boessel see eye to eye on this in a big way! Check this out: https://aces.arbita.net/blog/jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you and our Adjunct Faculty Jim Boessel see eye to eye on this in a big way! Check this out: <a href="https://aces.arbita.net/blog/jim" rel="nofollow">https://aces.arbita.net/blog/jim</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Smyth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Smyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the point you make is very true I completely disagree with the assertion that the ATS is to blame. Yes its true that many ATS&#039; have poor search facilities this is particularly specific to ATS vendors who focus on corporate solutions. We operate in the market supporting the needs of staffing/recruitment agencies as well as corporates where search functionality is essential.

I would recommend that recruiters experiencing the problems you describe should look not at ATS software but instead focus on using the same software as the successful recruitment agencies who are providing companies with the majority of their resumes. Search terms can make all the difference - search for &quot;recruitment software&quot; in google and there is a very different calibre of software available.

I would encourage you to have a look at our software on http://www.arithon.com, and I would be very happy to demonstrate some of the standard features of our software for you to review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the point you make is very true I completely disagree with the assertion that the ATS is to blame. Yes its true that many ATS&#8217; have poor search facilities this is particularly specific to ATS vendors who focus on corporate solutions. We operate in the market supporting the needs of staffing/recruitment agencies as well as corporates where search functionality is essential.</p>
<p>I would recommend that recruiters experiencing the problems you describe should look not at ATS software but instead focus on using the same software as the successful recruitment agencies who are providing companies with the majority of their resumes. Search terms can make all the difference &#8211; search for &#8220;recruitment software&#8221; in google and there is a very different calibre of software available.</p>
<p>I would encourage you to have a look at our software on <a href="http://www.arithon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.arithon.com</a>, and I would be very happy to demonstrate some of the standard features of our software for you to review.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has to defend the honor of the ATS industry- that&#039;s my job according to the Recruiting Animal, as the Beadle.  First off, there is nothing wrong, in some cases, with 10 year old search technology. We are going back to 50 year old technology for manned spaceflight and ATS ain&#039;t manned spaceflight.  

The ATS business is in many cases a service business.  Sizable and even medium firms can have complex data needs. We are doing a job right now with keywords in the billions for a customer; it takes some pretty big brains some serious work to get it done, on both sides of the table.  

Reasonable quality of user experience is vital- its the sine qua non of successful solutions, but there are considerations that may not mean much to a typical user, but are meaningful to a system owner.  There is always some pressure in industrial design for all kinds of systems to design for end users or system owners where there are conflicts.   

I think the ATS business is similar to many niche industries- some vendors get it, some vendors don&#039;t, and times change. 

On the actual subject of search scalability, our solutions are engineered to run Lucene if users want it- its a custom setup on our ASP, it&#039;s not 10 years old, and its pretty slick indeed.  I can&#039;t type any more about how AI can be overrated and misunderstood in this application...have to go get some tiki outi for the fam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has to defend the honor of the ATS industry- that&#8217;s my job according to the Recruiting Animal, as the Beadle.  First off, there is nothing wrong, in some cases, with 10 year old search technology. We are going back to 50 year old technology for manned spaceflight and ATS ain&#8217;t manned spaceflight.  </p>
<p>The ATS business is in many cases a service business.  Sizable and even medium firms can have complex data needs. We are doing a job right now with keywords in the billions for a customer; it takes some pretty big brains some serious work to get it done, on both sides of the table.  </p>
<p>Reasonable quality of user experience is vital- its the sine qua non of successful solutions, but there are considerations that may not mean much to a typical user, but are meaningful to a system owner.  There is always some pressure in industrial design for all kinds of systems to design for end users or system owners where there are conflicts.   </p>
<p>I think the ATS business is similar to many niche industries- some vendors get it, some vendors don&#8217;t, and times change. </p>
<p>On the actual subject of search scalability, our solutions are engineered to run Lucene if users want it- its a custom setup on our ASP, it&#8217;s not 10 years old, and its pretty slick indeed.  I can&#8217;t type any more about how AI can be overrated and misunderstood in this application&#8230;have to go get some tiki outi for the fam.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, thanks for confirming importance of internal candidate db.
Our ATS is very simple and very searchable and is our first and primary source of qualified talent.  JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, thanks for confirming importance of internal candidate db.<br />
Our ATS is very simple and very searchable and is our first and primary source of qualified talent.  JB</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-3186</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-posted this amazing article over at:
http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior
FYI

Jer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-posted this amazing article over at:<br />
<a href="http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior" rel="nofollow">http://sourcecon.ning.com/forum/topics/sourcerrecruiter-behavior</a><br />
FYI</p>
<p>Jer</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Passen</title>
		<link>http://www.booleanblackbelt.com/2009/04/is-your-ats-a-black-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-3185</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Passen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good content here.  Many legacy ATS systems are so complicated, antiquated and slow that recruiters rely on outside tools as their primary means of mining candidate information thereby ignoring arguably the most valuable sources of information available- data you already own!

It is unlikely that a legacy ATS vendor will allow you to customize the existing search interface without a hefty charge and this is likely not going to solve the entire problem.  In fact, most popular ATS systems are relying on search technology that was developed over 10 years ago.  Thus, these systems are slow and return crude results creating a lack of confidence, the reason recruiters commonly use their ATS as a last resort. 

Glen, you also touch on a great point regarding productivity.  An ATS system is a tool that should improve the way your company recruits. Too many legacy ATS systems are time vampires.  We hear time and time again that, “we are stuck with this system or that system because we’ve invested so much time and energy and we don’t want to go through another implementation nightmare”. 
Would you stay in a relationship that was miserable just because you invested a bunch of time? Maybe.  Is it fair to your business partners?  No!

In some ways the ATS industry is similar to the US automobile industry.  For years the automakers resisted requests for  change because they thought it would hurt their business model. People wanted big cars with 10 cup holders and didn’t care that these cars got 14 mpg. So, the automakers designed huge, inefficient cars with all sorts of bells and whistles. But, over the years people started to become more aware of the environmental impacts of automobiles and then fuel prices spiked.  Competitors caught and surpassed Detroit’s shining stars. 

Similarly, like Detroit,  enterprise software companies, legacy ATS vendors included, are reluctant to change their business models.   They design and build software that instead of doing one thing really well, they do a couple of things just ok.  They lock buyers into long term contracts and hold users captive because they boast integration.  Well, competitors are starting to catch up.  Smaller companies with evolved business models are developing beachhead applications that make users more productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good content here.  Many legacy ATS systems are so complicated, antiquated and slow that recruiters rely on outside tools as their primary means of mining candidate information thereby ignoring arguably the most valuable sources of information available- data you already own!</p>
<p>It is unlikely that a legacy ATS vendor will allow you to customize the existing search interface without a hefty charge and this is likely not going to solve the entire problem.  In fact, most popular ATS systems are relying on search technology that was developed over 10 years ago.  Thus, these systems are slow and return crude results creating a lack of confidence, the reason recruiters commonly use their ATS as a last resort. </p>
<p>Glen, you also touch on a great point regarding productivity.  An ATS system is a tool that should improve the way your company recruits. Too many legacy ATS systems are time vampires.  We hear time and time again that, “we are stuck with this system or that system because we’ve invested so much time and energy and we don’t want to go through another implementation nightmare”.<br />
Would you stay in a relationship that was miserable just because you invested a bunch of time? Maybe.  Is it fair to your business partners?  No!</p>
<p>In some ways the ATS industry is similar to the US automobile industry.  For years the automakers resisted requests for  change because they thought it would hurt their business model. People wanted big cars with 10 cup holders and didn’t care that these cars got 14 mpg. So, the automakers designed huge, inefficient cars with all sorts of bells and whistles. But, over the years people started to become more aware of the environmental impacts of automobiles and then fuel prices spiked.  Competitors caught and surpassed Detroit’s shining stars. </p>
<p>Similarly, like Detroit,  enterprise software companies, legacy ATS vendors included, are reluctant to change their business models.   They design and build software that instead of doing one thing really well, they do a couple of things just ok.  They lock buyers into long term contracts and hold users captive because they boast integration.  Well, competitors are starting to catch up.  Smaller companies with evolved business models are developing beachhead applications that make users more productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Graziano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Graziano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, as usual you nailed it. Most ATSs are under used. it appears as though recruiters go for the the latest applicant. There it a wealth of information in legacy data in the AYS. Few people want to make the effort to mine that data. It is my impression that the latest applicnat represents the &quot;past of least resistance to the recruiter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, as usual you nailed it. Most ATSs are under used. it appears as though recruiters go for the the latest applicant. There it a wealth of information in legacy data in the AYS. Few people want to make the effort to mine that data. It is my impression that the latest applicnat represents the &#8220;past of least resistance to the recruiter.</p>
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